Posts by Driving Force

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I may have to go back!!

by Crazyguy in

maybe i'm over reacting but i'm getting tired of all the bullshit.

they truly see you as a demonized one when your gone.

i spoke to my 14 year old about not getting baptized he said he wasn't and understood my reasoning then texts his mother and says some really hurtful stuff.

Driving Force

Maybe 14 year olds are just like that telling you what they think you want to hear and then telling other what they want.

Puberty!

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I may have to go back!!

by Crazyguy in

maybe i'm over reacting but i'm getting tired of all the bullshit.

they truly see you as a demonized one when your gone.

i spoke to my 14 year old about not getting baptized he said he wasn't and understood my reasoning then texts his mother and says some really hurtful stuff.

I have raised two kids, both girls. The oldest who is now 29 decided when she was 14 that she did not want to go to meetings etc. That was her choice and my wife tried everything to get her to do all the JW stuff etc., I personally never pressured her, after all she was my step daughter and I followed the WT advice and leave discipline to the natural parent. I can tell you, this advice does not work. The step parent should get involved. Anyway that is not the issue here, that was just to give you a little background information.

When I learned TTATT and started my fade I needed some support and went and got professional help, much of our discussions were on how to keep my daughter, who is now 15, from becoming a JW.

Things not to do:

1. Never demand loyalty from your child. A child naturally loves both parents, even an abusive parent, because the child has no way to make comparisons, life's experience is very limited.

2. Never talk TTATT to the child, he will not understand and if he goes to meetings with his mother then there is the indoctrination to deal with and will only lead to alienation, and quickly bring up the subject (in the child's mind) about loyalty. "If I stop going to meetings I will upset mom, if I keep going I will upset dad." No child, and a 14 year is still a child, can mentally solve this dilemma, and this will lead to physical symptoms like stomach ache and headache, and even worse. I experienced this with my child, she frequently had headaches and my wife took her to many doctors, and many tests were done. Now that it is clearly defined no more JW stuff for my daughter the headaches have stopped. But reaching that stage was a difficult process for me.

3. Never stop the child from doing JW stuff with the other parent. This may sound odd, but it is the right thing to do. The child is probably coerced into doing all the JW stuff and will develop an aversion, this happens to us all and makes us feel trapped, and at some point we look for a way out. Your child will look for a way out and he must see you as a way out.

Things to do:

4. Offer your child an alternative. This is something that is not so easy to do. I do not mean an alternative religion, but an alternative life-style. Hobbies are a good thing, do it for you-self, and make sure you really enjoy it and let the whole family know, you are enjoying life. Of course you make the offer to your son that he can join you any time he likes, but again make sure you do not bring him into this loyalty question. If he wants to go along with you make sure this what he wants to do and he is not doing it to please you. Offering your child an alternative may even mean moving out and living alone, but enjoying life afterwards and having regular contact with your son so that he can see there is an alternative to JW life.

5. Offer yourself as an expert on what is correct and not correct regarding JWism. This means that you know TTATT and just letting your child know that if he wants to know why you think the way you do, he just needs to ask. Never volunteer information without it being asked for.

Those are some rules that I worked out with my psychiatrist and applied with my daughter and what are the results?

1. By going to the meetings my child saw/heard how I was referred to in the congregation, as an apostate deserving of death, someone even told her I was mentally diseased, but she saw me everyday. I bought a motorcycle and go out regularly. Took up beer-brewing and enjoy the beer every evening. Beekeeping was a hobby I had anyway, but my daughter clearly saw this brought me pleasure. Admittedly none of these things are typically female hobbies, but they showed my daughter that there is a life after the JWs.

2. A couple of months ago my wife went on holidays with some JW friends for two weeks, I stayed home and my daughter stayed with me. I allowed my daughter to do all the things that a normal 15 year old would do, there were strict rules that she had to follow for her own safety and I explained clearly why these rules were set, that they were not arbitrary. After the two weeks, she now has a boyfriend, a normal thing for a 15 year old. One of the most profound things she said to me later was, that after spending much time with her boyfriends' family is that "Worldly People" are not bad at all, and she realized that what the WT says about "Worldly People" is really not true, they are very nice. The sincerity she showed when she told me that brought tears to my eyes.

3. I decided to move out, see my OP on this. When I told my wife this, she immediately challenged the loyalty of our daughter, "Who do you want to live with?" My daughter decided that she wanted to live with me. Why? Because she does not like the JW way of life.

4. My daughter asked about TTATT, so she is now informed, but that was on here terms, when she was ready she asked.

I am not happy that my marriage has broken because of religion, but I am very happy that my daughter has made an informed decision against the JWs. Maybe what I have written can help you with your son, I hope it can.

I wish you strength in your determination to help your son to be free from the JW BS.

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Awake - February 2015: What do you know about JWs

by Designer Stubble in

true false - 8 questions1 jehovahs witnesses are christianstrue - we are the only true christians.

however, jesus is always secondary to yhwh or yahweh, who we for some reason call jehovah.2 jehovahs witnesses are creationiststrue, we are just not young-earth creationists3 jehovahs witnesses do not believe in doctorsfalse - of course we believe in doctors.

if we can believe in an invisible sky daddy, surely we can believe in the doctor standing before us in flesh and blood.

Driving Force

DS

Thanks for the explanation.

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Awake - February 2015: What do you know about JWs

by Designer Stubble in

true false - 8 questions1 jehovahs witnesses are christianstrue - we are the only true christians.

however, jesus is always secondary to yhwh or yahweh, who we for some reason call jehovah.2 jehovahs witnesses are creationiststrue, we are just not young-earth creationists3 jehovahs witnesses do not believe in doctorsfalse - of course we believe in doctors.

if we can believe in an invisible sky daddy, surely we can believe in the doctor standing before us in flesh and blood.

Driving Force

50 thousand

I was thinking about this figure too, where the hell it come from.

If we assume that JWs stopped taking blood transfusions from 1951 onwards, that would mean that at least 2 JWs would need to have died every single day since then, and that is a lot.

Even one single death for this reason is one too many. I guess there is only one organization that has accurate figures on this and that is the bOrg itself.

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Pledge for Global Assistance Arrangement - $15 per publisher!

by nmthinker in

last night our congregation read a letter for the global assistance arrangement combined with the traveling overseer assistance arrangement.

the "recommended" amount was $15 per publisher, which was well over $1000 for our hall.. it seemed steep.

our congregation does not have this type of money.

Driving Force

Billy

lol.

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Google Earth the Bethels and you can see the Tennis Courts, Swimming Pools, but Austerity measures still continue

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

what's to become of these little luxuries enjoyed at bethel now that some departments have closed down such as housekeeping, laundry, meals, etc....

Driving Force

It would be good to see a picture of one of the 7 Turds doing his own laundry.

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2015-Information Needed For Visit Of Circuit Overseer-S-61-E!

by Atlantis in

no wonder the elder's are becoming burned out and stepping down!

2015, information needed for visit of circuit overseer.

.. click the green download button.. .. information needed for visit of circuit overseer .

Driving Force

AFRIKANMAN

..spiritual information..

That sentenced jumped at me as well.

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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

a year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.

world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.

so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?

Driving Force

truthseeker

It really is a nice place, a very nice atmosphere.

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We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

by cappytan in

jw
friends

so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

real friendships aren't conditional.".

i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

Driving Force

The conditions for remaining friends is respect, respect prevents me from doing something that would harm a friend physically or emotionally. JWs have rules which go far beyond respect.

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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

a year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.

world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.

so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?

Driving Force

I was in Düsseldorf on Sunday evening, it was a really beautiful evening, a bit cold, but really nice. A man called Arne Schmitt (you can find him in Facebook "Arne Schmitt - Music") was giving a concert with his piano, this was on Burgplatz in the Altstadt, Düsseldorf. Many people were milling around and listening and I decided to look for the "Islamic Invaders". It didn't take long for me to locate any of them because there was one standing right next to me. His friend came along and they started conversing in Arabic, after a few moments Arne stopped playing the Piano and one of these two "Islamic Invaders" went up to Arne and said something, Arne stepped back and allowed him to play his Piano, this "Islamic Invader" played wonderfully and helped to improve the wonderful atmosphere on this evening.

I walked a little but still being able to hear the piano music and I stopped to watch the people coming up a ramp leading to Burgplatz from the Rhine river, again looking for "Islamic Invaders" and there was a family of "Islamic Invaders", cheerful, father, mother and three children. As the father notice I was watching them he gave me an enormous smile, greeted me and walked on. It wasn't long before the next "Islamic Invader" came along, I saw him from a distance, it did take him a while to reach were I was, he was laboring up the ramp in his wheelchair, he had no legs.

That was my experience with "Islamic Invaders" in this Sunday evening.

On the east bank of the Rhine river looking towards Burgplatz